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JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby bconlon » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:17 pm

Hi

so we have the jamhub greenroom for a few months now and its been great except for very very bad crosstalk.
even with all volumes completly down i can still hear bleed from the other channels (mainly 5/6)

I am on 4 and using the extender but the other guys have started noticing it also lately.
havnt got a chance to go round all the channels yet but even when i plug in to 4 directly i can hear the same.
the FX is down fully also and 5/6 are ketboards using instrument input with stereo leads.

why is this??
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Re: JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby Chuck-at-JamHub » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:40 am

Welcome, bconlon!

Thanks for posting here. The crosstalk that you've described has me thinking that something isn't right with your GreenRoom, though I'd like to do a bit of troubleshooting with you to determine what's going on. I'm sending you an email to get things moving toward complete resolution for you. If necessary, we'll replace your GreenRoom under warranty...

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Re: JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby zackg007 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:33 am

I am also having a cross talk problem. It seems to be mostly with high frequency sounds. In this case it's the shaker. Like bconlon said, even with all the levels completely off, you can still hear the shaker. It's quiet, but very clearly present on every channel. I have tried sending the sound to each IP and it's the same across the board.
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Re: JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby Chuck-at-JamHub » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:03 pm

Hi zackg007,

I assume that you're mic'ing your shaker, right? Can you tell us any more details about your setup? I have some shakers in my rehearsal room and could try to recreate what you describ as soon as tonight or tomorrow morning. I'll use Extreme Isolation headphones to ensure that I'm not fooled by sound leaking into the headphones from outside and will post back here with my findings...

In case your unit has a manufacturing defect and needs to be replaced under warranty, what part of the world do you call home?

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Re: JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby zackg007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:34 am

I have recorded a drum kit and a shaker. I have most of the kit running out of the headphone jack on my DIGI002 through the R input. I run the shaker out of OP 3 and the kick out of OP 4 going into IPs 1 & 2 on the Jam Hub. even with all the channels at 0, I can here the shaker (quietly) in the headphones.
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Re: JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby Chuck-at-JamHub » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:00 am

Thanks, zackg007. I'll try to recreate this today in my project studio. I don't have a Digi 002, but my RME Fireface has pretty much the same i/o capabilities. Stay tuned...
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Re: JamHub GreenRoom Crosstalk

Postby Chuck-at-JamHub » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:08 pm

Hi guys,

I did some testing and critical listening with my DAW today and definitely heard some bleed, as you’ve both described. I would describe it as “faint, but definitely noticeable when all but the input and headphone volumes are down”, but not “very very bad”, to my ears anyway. I think the reason that I never noticed it before is probably because I and everyone in my band has at least enough of everyone else in their mix to ‘mask’ the bleed completely. Also, like you, I noticed that at such a low listening level, the high-mids and highs were prominent in what I heard, which I think is best explained by our old friends Fletcher & Munson.

I really think that both of your JamHubs are operating as-designed and are not defective. I recommend that when you’re connecting any sources that some of the performers don’t want to hear at all, finding the best possible balance between source output level, JamHub input level and JamHub headphone level will go a long way to minimize any bleed. In your applications, our current circuit designs will always exhibit some of this low level bleed. We’re constantly learning about how our customers use their JamHubs. Completely isolating other sounds (band members?) wasn't on our radar as a necessary part of 'silent rehearsing' and so we didn't design for it. We appreciate you bringing your particular uses of the product to our attention, and we will certainly take them into account in future designs.

Please let us know if you have any other questions, comments or observations about this. We've shipped well over 5,000 JamHubs in less than a year and we are very happy with our product quality. The design is working very well for the vast majority of our users. We hope that despite some bleed, you still find your JamHub to be a wonderfully useful tool…

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